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fp1369



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Location: South Italy

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Hi Coolas,
I use a scarfini truster on my JVB custom 6.6. I have also a st of FCS Sunny Garzia (yes, I kwow... it is a little bit large for my 70 kg). Scarfini is better. In Italy the price is almost the same than FCS.
Really great quality and carbon base !!!
ON market there are also quad scarfini set, but the price of thise english site is amazing.
I love also 12 cm central fin.
Look also at dolphin, cut and dolphin ct.. in almost all lenghts.


A question for my forum friends (and for master shaper Ours). ( I'm 170 cm X 70 kg).
What is the better set of fins for my (next and I hope soon Smile ) 9.0 Zero?
I have a couple of FCS GXQ . I think that are perfect for Zero. But for central fin?
I have also a FCS ezi trim 7.75, great drive, speed and manovrability, but perhaps a little bit long in every day use. 7.0 Ezi trim?
FCS 6.5 Kay Sallas?
FCS Ignition 7.25.
Other solutions?
Or is better two or most fins. 6.0 in micro waves , 7.0 ezi trimm in normal waves and 7.75 in big waves ?

Scuse me Patrice if this post isn't the right place for this general question Smile

Thanks.
Filippo Very Happy

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JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika

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Patsurf06



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Good quality and look for Scarfini and nice price , sure .. thanks filippo Wink

Colas , il n'y a pas de quad Scarfini sur le site british ... dommage les prix sont sympas en effet ..

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Eternity 8.8 / Fatal 6.10 s.pro / One pro 6.8 .
Acidolly 8.0 / Batmob 7.2 / OuinOuin 6.2 / Matata 5.6 .
Palika / Fluid / Curl / Mix .
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fp1369



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Ciao Pat,
from this site You must buy two set of tri fin and make so a quad.
On official site scarfini You can read the right combination of set.
http://www.scarfinifins.co.za/index.php?page=allfins.php&category=2
The price is in any case good (less than a FCS quad).
Ciao
Filippo

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GONG forever
JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika
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Patsurf06



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ok philippo , really the best choice for the price , allright Wink (about 80€ for 2 set of tri-fins + shipping )

And now the choice ... HX3 or HX4 ? 90 kgs and good leg-power for me Wink

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Eternity 8.8 / Fatal 6.10 s.pro / One pro 6.8 .
Acidolly 8.0 / Batmob 7.2 / OuinOuin 6.2 / Matata 5.6 .
Palika / Fluid / Curl / Mix .


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fp1369



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Hello,
for me HX4, but I'm not sure Sad
Very Happy
Ciao
Filippo

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GONG forever
JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika
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Patsurf06



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ok thanks Wink

Colas t'en penses quoi ?

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Eternity 8.8 / Fatal 6.10 s.pro / One pro 6.8 .
Acidolly 8.0 / Batmob 7.2 / OuinOuin 6.2 / Matata 5.6 .
Palika / Fluid / Curl / Mix .
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coolas



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Je dirais HX4 aussi: vu la taille d'un SUP et les appuis que on dévellope avec la pagaie, je pense qu'il faut grand pour nos poids.
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pierem



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Patsurf06 wrote:
(about 80€ for 2 set of tri-fins + shipping )
d'où tiens-tu les prix ? J'ai trouvé nulle part, du coup je suis passé par le formulaire de contact...

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Patsurf06



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par là .. tu fais une simulation d'achat et ça t'affiche le prix en livres sterling (tu multiplies par 1.10 pour avoir en € ) Wink

http://www.trioceansurf.co.uk/surfboards/surfboard-fins

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Eternity 8.8 / Fatal 6.10 s.pro / One pro 6.8 .
Acidolly 8.0 / Batmob 7.2 / OuinOuin 6.2 / Matata 5.6 .
Palika / Fluid / Curl / Mix .
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pierem



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Patsurf06 wrote:
par là .. tu fais une simulation d'achat et ça t'affiche le prix en livres sterling (tu multiplies par 1.10 pour avoir en € ) Wink

http://www.trioceansurf.co.uk/surfboards/surfboard-fins


OK, je cherche pour un Set Quad Smile c'est pour ça que je ne me suis pas attardé sur triocean qui n'en a pas... Wink

Merci

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fp1369



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a little UP Smile

A question for my forum friends (and for master shaper Ours). ( I'm 170 cm X 70 kg).
What is the better set of fins for my (next and I hope soon Smile ) 9.0 Zero?
I have a couple of FCS GXQ . I think that are perfect for Zero. But for central fin?
I have also a FCS ezi trim 7.75, great drive, speed and manovrability, but perhaps a little bit long in every day use. 7.0 Ezi trim?
FCS 6.5 Kay Sallas?
FCS Ignition 7.25.
Other solutions?
Or is better two or most fins. 6.0 in micro waves , 7.0 ezi trimm in normal waves and 7.75 in big waves ?

Scuse me Patrice if this post isn't the right place for this general question Smile

Thanks.

Smile
Filippo

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GONG forever
JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika
Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:34 pm View user's profile Send private message
coolas



Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Personally, I would tend to use big fins at slow speeds and small fins at high speeds. A bit like for sails or airplane wings: the faster you go, the less surface you need.

Also, I think narrow-tailed boards like the Zero do not need big fins.

So for me it is either a thruster configuration (all fins the same size) when I am in an agressive mood, or a big single fin on cool waves.
I didn't find a 2+1 configuration I like, but most people seem happy with 6" to 7" as main fin in 2+1
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Ours
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Hello,

notez que c'est encore plus flou que ça.

Par exemple une 17 souple "porte" moins qu'une 15 raide.
Une 19 étroite "porte" moins qu'une 16 large.
etc etc etc...

Sur un 2+1 ça a une importance cruciale de le savoir.

Pour moi l'utilité des dérives et quasi uniquement de créer de la vitesse en excès. On sait tous maintenant que les dérives ne sont pas indispensables à l'accroche (cf alaia, bodyboard, et autres trips).

Le rôle majeur de la dérive est convertir la force centripete en résultante "propulsive".
En clair, sans dérive votre planche tend à déraper dans les virages, vers l'extérieur du virage. En mettant une dérive ou plusieurs vous créez une résistance à cette force.
Cette résistance peut soit simplement résister, soit convertir l'énergie pour améliorer les qualités du surf.

Conversion de l'énergie :
- en vitesse : la dérive envoi la planche en avant.
- en portance : la planche s'allège au delà des caractéristiques de son shape.
- en accroche : la planche ne dérape pas.

Ces effets sont classés selon l'ordre d'importance décroissant que j'accorde à chacune.

Notez que bien souvent ces effets ont des contraintes qui limitent la maniabilité de la planche et sa vitesse naturelle. Prenez aussi en compte le tirant d'eau, la dangerosité etc...

Partant de là, vous avez une grille d'analyse plus claire de ce que vous devez choisir comme dérive.

Les règles sont multiples et toutes croisées. Mais si vous voyez clair dans ce que vous voulez obtenir, le choix est plus évident.

Merci.
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fp1369



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Thanks Coolas Smile
I like also this set FCS : http://www.surfsurfsurf.co.uk/longboard_&_retro_surfboard_fins/fcs_hi-1_longboard_surfboard_fin_set
but I think (is only impression dreaming the outline and rocker of 9.0) that Caribou Zero performs better with a longer central fin (6 to 7) (nose and rail to rail performance).
On my (less) experience the fin is influenced by waves (small waves = small fins (loose and agility) and big wave = big fin (drive and control). I could try same different set, but I like to know your and Patrice's advice to avoid to spend time and money to try right configuration Smile (and, now, I haven't the first and most important thing: Caribou Zero Very Happy Very Happy ).

Filippo

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GONG forever
JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika
Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:19 pm View user's profile Send private message
fp1369



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Thanks Patrice,
But now, I don't know which fin I must buy.. Very Happy Very Happy

I love this (for example) http://store.magicseaweed.com/Future-6.0-Fin/Item/2622/

Ok, I will test same set and same configurations and I will have a fin's collection in my quiver. Smile Smile

Filippo

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GONG forever
JVB custom 6,6 - fatal 105 sp - 6.11 Faking 2012 - hit 102 sp - final 105 sp - 8.4 Painy 2012- 9.0 Zero 2011 - 9.2 freak 110 6.2 ouinouin
Gong carbon surf - Salt Paddle Kenu - Salt Paddle Palika
Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:28 pm View user's profile Send private message
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