Progressive Longboard 10+

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Progressive Longboard 10+

Message par 1fox » dim. févr. 26, 2017 8:21 pm

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the correct place in the forum to post this "wish"...

Although I do enjoy the sup pros on the APP world tour, I delight myself watching the amateurs of the Australian 10+ Comp.
In the begining, I thought that 10' was too big for any performance. But after trying these 10´130Lts boards, I realised they are perfect for summer smaller conditions.

I wish there was a Freak PRO SP 10 x 27 115 Lts :)

Is Gong already producing customs in Portugal?

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Message par MagW » dim. févr. 26, 2017 9:03 pm

The IT Pro does not cover what you are looking for ?
http://gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.s ... URFITPRO10
It is a very nice longboard, it turns really well and nose rides amazingly!
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Message par Ours » lun. févr. 27, 2017 9:37 am

Hello,

the Freak 10' doesn't exist. But it is very close to the 10' NFA pro.
The demand on long boards, over 9'4, is really small now. Doing many different shapes on these sizes is not possible for mass production. So I only did the NFA 10'.

My question is : why are you looking at a 10'? The 9'2 Freak SP is perfect.

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Message par 1fox » lun. févr. 27, 2017 12:32 pm

Hi,

If I was choosing a single board quiver, I'm completely sure, the Freak SP would be my choice.

I already have a custom longboard HP 9'1 x 26 3/4 96 lts which I ride in medium and big conditions.
I do need a longboard complement for small days that glides well, relaxed, allows for some noseriding and chill out summer sunsets :), but still keeps the HP outline (relatively narrow, sharp rear rails,...)
The NFA with lower volume is close to this need, but it's wide and voluminous.
The Freak SP has a perfect outline but I think it overlaps my custom.

My attention has been focused on:
- The IT Pro
Looks perfect but maybe too dedicated to noseriding. It's a pitty there's no pics of the PRO construction available :(

- The Soul SP
Very nice, low rocker, low volume and narrow, but I'm not sure if it is not too close to my custom and if it will work on very small conditions.

- The NS SP
Looks less tempting than the IT or Soul, but according to the posts, I'm sure is one of the Ours favorites. I guess I did not see (in FB or Vimeo) Ours playing around with the new Soul SP or the IT. I guess this has to do with the great performance of the NS :), isn't it? :)

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Message par coolas » lun. févr. 27, 2017 12:50 pm

I would add the Moblog SP:
- with the wide tail, it glides easily in weak waves. Kind of a Simmons shape.
- you can ride it "high performance" in weak waves because you can ride it from the tail without stalling, and chain carving bottom/rollers with the generous tail rocker
- it is explosive at speed with the tail and its channel
- it noserides quite well, I think due to its concave in the front

The drawback is that you cannot ride it as a single fin, and you must keep a bit more speed for noserides than a big-finned NS, IT, or freak, and be more agressive (on the tail) in turns. But I think it suits quite well the "performance longboard" program.
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Message par Ours » lun. févr. 27, 2017 1:53 pm

Hello,

there is a huge difference between a board shaped around a single fin and one around a tri fin. We can't compare Soul, IT and NS with a NFA or a Freak for example. Difference is insane.

The Soul is really nice in small waves. I love it. Usually I choose to go extrem with the NS, because our waves are pretty slow. But on faster small waves, the Soul is the best.

What kind of style do you like? What do you want to do?

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Message par 1fox » mar. févr. 28, 2017 12:38 am

Versality is my goal.

A little bit like this video
(but with the big difference that this guy rips :) )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42ifg-L_uw

... when the waves are like this, there's enough gas for the 9'1x26.75.
...

Having the chance to have your feedback, how would the SOUL SP perform in the conditions of the video bellow compared to the IT?
(I love the vibes of this clip :) )
https://vimeo.com/110383320

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Message par Ours » mar. févr. 28, 2017 9:51 am

Hello,

a single fin is not exactly versatile. Or you have to find the right fin for your feeling.

On these waves, a Soul will be faster than the IT or the NS. With the Soul, you can do real top turns. Not with the IT/NS. So you can surf it more "aggressive".

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Message par coolas » mar. févr. 28, 2017 10:52 am

On this subject, this is what I wrote in the seabreeze forum: (I speak also of the video you mention)

- A single fin is most efficient in "displacement" mode, i.e. before planing. And as the planing speed is higher as the water line is longer, this means that long boards will be often in displacement mode, and as small waves are often of a short period, they are also slower, so you go slower.
- At slow speeds, if you roll the board to the right, the water reaction on the hull will pull it to the right at its center, and then the fin(s) act as a weathervane tail, so its lift will be to the left. At fast speeds, it is the opposite, the rider use the rails to turn, and the fin(s) adds lift to the right to counter the centrifugal force, a quite different situation. Multi-fins are mostly designed to work at fast speeds (hence the flat inner side of fins, they are designed to provide lift into the turn) and feel awkward at slow speed, while symmetrical setups (single fins, twin setups like on Simmons) can work in both modes and do not feel weird in between them.
- Single fins lose grip and efficiency when the board rolls significantly, in carving turns. Side fins keep holding.

So I guess is what you found out is that a single fin is much more pleasant at slow speeds.

Note that you can compromise the setups to increase their range:
- 2+1 will add small twins to a single to help it handle more speed. But by keeping the side fins small and often symmetrically foiled, you avoid the "lock" you can feel with a thruster setup at slow speed. This is why it is such a popular all-around setup.
- Jackson close in his 10ft video has a thruster setup, but with the center fin moved all the way forward in the box: this way you reduce the "lock" a normal thruster setup has at low speed. I used this setup on a 9'11", the looseness was exhilarating, but you lacked drive if the wave power increased.
- Harley Ingleby rides bigger side fins and a smaller center, I guess for the same effect of reducing the "thruster lock" at slow speeds. I must say I like this combo best: you get the looseness of a small center, but when noseriding the side fin digs deep in the face and provide a nice hold if you do not go too slow. And in fast waves, the central fin is aft enough to provide decent stability. Its drawback is that it does not have the solid feel underfoot of a big single when the board is not on its rail. Drop knee turns are harder for instance.
- "Simmons" twins (big fins with symmetrical foils and a low toe-in angle, on the rear) may be also a very interesting noseriding design: you get the efficiency of 2 single fins at slow speed, that maintain their grip when on the rail, and no "thruster lock"
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Message par coolas » mar. févr. 28, 2017 10:53 am

Et la config semblable à celle de Jackson Close dans la vidéo, que j'utilisais sur l'Electric 9'11"

http://www.gongsup.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 108#p21108

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Message par Ours » mar. févr. 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Hello,

juste pour préciser que sur cette photo le montage est bien mais la centrale est trop avancée. Du coup cela crée des aberrations dans la conduite.

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Message par coolas » mar. févr. 28, 2017 12:04 pm

Ours a écrit :juste pour préciser que sur cette photo le montage est bien mais la centrale est trop avancée. Du coup cela crée des aberrations dans la conduite.
Tout à fait, la planche "guidonne" à partir d'une certaine vitesse. Ou stoppe en fin de virage. Mais c'est très fun à basse vitesse pour la libérer.

Les dérives FCSII Connect Us Box sont d'ailleurs fabuleuses pour ça, pour jouer avec la position de la centrale selon les conditions sans sortir de l'eau.
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Re: Progressive Longboard 10+

Message par Ours » mar. févr. 28, 2017 12:42 pm

Hello,

y compris pour la supprimer et surfer en twin fin.

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Re: Progressive Longboard 10+

Message par 1fox » mar. févr. 28, 2017 3:03 pm

A NFA SP or a longer Freak SP would be the toys :D

Regarding the tri fin photo by Colas:

In the Electric 9'11, the side fins boxes (medium position) are aligned with the starting of the central.
On the Freak, the side bites boxes are placed up, before the central box begins.
I've found that this later placement allows the board a better glide... This makes sense or is on other hand, effects of the toe or the cant?
How do you choose one or the other config?

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Re: Progressive Longboard 10+

Message par MagW » mar. févr. 28, 2017 7:06 pm

The new IT Pro is very very similar to the IT XTR. So you can search for this board on the forum and videos.
An IT complements your "Freak" style custom perfect. My IT 10' Pro 2016:
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If the waves were smaller than in your video, the waves you want, all the SPs and the IT Pro would work fine. But differently.
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